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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: AKHTAR SHERAZI Reply with quote

Salam All,

This is from




‘O’ Mohammad! If you are leading your armed forces into the battlefield, you must deploy them at the right positions, with the objective of achieving resounding victory, Sallat, over your enemies.

Your battle plan and combat strategy should be as follows:

· You should divide your army in two parts.

· The first half should commence and execute the program of Sallat [engage the enemy forces, which are against the divine social order]. The second half should stay behind and form the next line of defense. Its objective would be to provide relief to the war weary front line fighters, by injecting fresh fighting force, in their place.

· When any of the frontline units accomplish their given target [Sajda] and get tired, let them fall back in an orderly manner and replace them with the fresh fighting force to carry on with the agenda of Sallat; complete victory over the enemy and making way for the implementation of the constitution that the Qur’an presents.

· The purpose of retaining a good part of your armed forces on the second line of defense, is to give your enemy an idea that you have additional forces to inject in the battle field, if such a need arises, and your rear in not open for any surprise attack.

· If some of your fighters do not like to stay armed at all times, due to some unfortunate circumstances, like heavy downpour or personal sickness, then let them do as they wish. However, Allah advises them to stay equipped at all times in the battle zone, and watch the enemy maneuvering very closely. Of course, your enemy will face humiliating defeat in the end, but you have to keep your eyes open, and be very vigilant about its every move.

Maybe Dr. Shabbir or Arnold can comment on this.... especially this url
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Arnold Yasin Mol

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


We agree with this interpretation, but it is not only about warfare, but also about Jumaah/congregations. And his interpretation is very Tafseer/Explanation like, and not translation, we try to stay closer to the translation of the verse:

From the new QXP4 (avaible soon):

4:102 O Messenger! When you are with them and establish the congregations of prayers for them, let some of them stand guard, and let them hold their weapons standing with you as you prostrate. Then let the other group who has not prayed take their turn praying with you, while the others stand guard and hold their weapons. The disbelievers wish to see you neglect your weapons and equipment, and ambush you once and for all. You commit no error, if you are hampered by rain or injury, by putting down your weapons. But always be fully prepared against danger. Surely, God has readied a humiliating suffering for those who deny the Truth.

[O Messenger! When you are with them during battle, let one group come to you for discussing the strategy and let others to be attentive to face the enemy, when discussion is over and final Message after consensus passed to them then let the other group come to you to get the Message but they should also be attentive as rejecters of God's Guidance may take the opportunity of your negligence. And there is no blame on you if you lay aside your weapons if you are hampered by rain, sickness or injury. But in spite of that take your precautions and do not loose the concentration. Once you will adopt this strategy, you will be victorious.]

And his site is very good, i haven't read it all, but he is on the same line as us when it comes to the Quranic Goal and Message. We will contact him to work together.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salam All

Could someone please elaborate on the difference between tafsir/explanation, tasreef and translation of the Quran

Thank you.


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Arnold Yasin Mol

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salaam Aleikum Mohammed,

Tafseer/Explanation is explaining the Quran using the Quran, scholar opinions, Hadith, history and so on. It comes down to, that the Quran is understood through outside sources.

With Tasreef/Translation only the inner structure of the Quran is used. If we want to understand a verse, we collect all the verses that have:

1. The same subject
2. The same words used

In this way you keep in mind:

1. You will get a more global explanation of the verse through the other verses on the subject. For example, one verse says that Aaron/Harun chose not to split up the Israels, and in another verse he tells why. So to know we translated the first correctly, we must look at the second.

2. The interpretation may not cross the boundaries of the Quranic laws, for example:

27:21 (Absconding from the marching army was to breach of disciplines.) Solomon said, “Unless to commander presented to good reason I would punish him or demote him to to low rank.”

This verse says literally dhabaha/to slaughter/sacrifice. How can we then translate it as killing rank?

These things were kept in mind:

1. Killing somone may ONLY be done in the case of murder.
2. Prophets were not emotional overexagerating.
3. Quran upholds the law of equality, free man for a free man.

What is fair for a person that is not performing his duty correctly? Kill his rank! Kill his position. That is not only fair, but also logical.

This is Tasreef. Using crossreference to get the understanding of a verse.
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